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A Greek Tragedy
Posted by:
Micah Hart on
July 23, 2008 at
7:55PM EST
Just got off the conference call with Rick Sund and the media, so I'll try to
provide some insight into what happened. Sund didn't get into any of the details
of the negotiations (he still has negotiations on-going with Josh Smith and
others), but he definitely made it clear that he felt the Hawks made a
competitive offer to Childress, more than any other NBA team was offering. While
he didn't come right out and say Childress took the money and ran,
the details of the contract (courtesy of Sekou Smith) show that the
difference between what the Hawks offered and what Olympiakos gave him was
substantial. Like twice as much substantial.
Look, I'm a Hawks employee, but I'm just as big a Hawks fan as anyone. I've
followed the team since I was a little boy growing up in Mississippi, and I've
been through the highs and lows over the past 20 years like everyone else. That
Childress is gone, and we have no compensation in return (other than the cap
space previously reserved for him), is a tough blow, no doubt.
And while there are many who want to blame Hawks management and ownership for
what happened, I just don't know if that is really fair in this case.
The NBA is a business. The teams that are most successful (in the NBA and in
all of sports) are the ones that spend their money wisely and don't let emotions
get in the way of what makes the most business sense. How many times have we
seen teams overpay for players and then end up with albatross salaries they
regretted almost immediately thereafter?
Did Rick Sund want to keep Josh Childress? You bet. We all did. He was a huge
part of the team's success last season and (in theory) a big part of its future.
But does it make sense to give him 10 million a year (or something even remotely
close to that)? It doesn't. I'd wager you'd be hard-pressed to find any NBA
person who would claim otherwise.
Josh Childress is a wonderful player (I've been a champion of his importance
to the team his entire career), but the Hawks would be making a huge mistake to
pay him that kind of money, considering what they are paying (and will soon be
paying) other players on the roster. He was an important part of the Hawks
rotation, but he wasn't a star, and 10-mill a year is star territory, at least
to teams that spend their money wisely.
As Sund said on the call, Atlanta made Childress a competitive offer, and it
was more than any other team appeared willing to give. Childress' agents were
charged with getting their client the best deal they could, and my hat is off to
them for doing so in a creative way. They clearly weren't going to get this kind
of money for Chills in the NBA, and decided this was a risk that was worth
taking for him (and while we're here, this isn't even that risky a deal for
Josh. He doesn't have a huge buyout that would make it difficult for him to
leave and he has an option to terminate the contract after every season, making
it very easy for him to return should he find Greece a bad fit).
I know most people want to blame Hawks management and ownership for letting
this happen, and if that is your opinion you are entitled. But at least consider
this:
Professional sports are, for the most part, very orthodox. Change is rare;
teams and players follow the same paths over and over and over again. You see it
all the time - baseball teams still sacrifice bunt and issue intentional walks
despite increasing evidence that those plays are nowhere near as helpful as
previously thought; NFL teams punt on 4th and short even though the opportunity
to keep possession is well worth the risk; in the NBA, coaches continue to let
teams shoot game-tying three-pointers with the clock winding down rather than
fouling them and giving up a pair of free throws. Changes to those strategies
are often (if not always) met with a heavy dose of skepticism from peers and
colleagues.
That is why a move like this one is so hard to comprehend - an American
player of Childress' caliber has simply never left the NBA at this stage in his
career, not with reasonable money on the table. It's easy to throw blame at the
Hawks, but what if there is more to it than that?
Not to go all Harvard, but today's global economy is much different than it
used to be. The euro is much stronger than the dollar, making it very easy for
European teams to make competitive (or in this case, far superior) financial
offers to NBA players. The top European teams are making more and more money
every year, giving them large enough budgets to handle contracts of this size
without even blinking. This was going to happen eventually, it just took the
right kind of player to take the bait, and frankly, I think Childress is that
guy.
Chills is not like most NBA players (afro aside). Every time I've chatted
with him at the start of seasons past he's raved about his trips abroad over the
summer, including trips to China and Africa as part of the NBA's Basketball
Without Borders program. He realizes there is a much larger world out there, and
he's experienced a good bit of it. Right off the bat, the idea of playing in a
foreign land was going to be much more palatable to him than most.
Josh is also a guy who, though dedicated to his craft, maybe doesn't see
basketball as the end-all be-all of his existence. He has continued to work
towards a business degree over the past few summers and spoke often of wanting
to be as successful off the court as he is on it. Therefore I can absolutely see
where playing in the NBA, just because it's "the NBA", might not be enough of a
reason on it's own (the way it would be for many of his peers) to keep Childress
stateside.
Maybe the money, coupled with the opportunity to travel and see the world,
was enough to make him happy - regardless of what it meant to his NBA stature. I
think that's entirely possible, even if it's hard for us to understand.
I don't know if Chills' move is a sign of things to come (in the same way
Kevin Garnett ushered in the era of prep-to-pros players) or is more the random
actions of a single player (think Ricky Williams retiring from the NFL). Only
time will tell.
All I know is that, like the rest of us, I was stunned by Chilldress'
decision. I honestly don't think the Hawks ever really thought something like
this could happen. But regardless of the reasons, it did happen and Josh
Childress is gone.
We can lament the situation all we want, but the most
important thing now is to figure out how to replace him.
Any ideas?
(138) Comments
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Posted by: sean on July 23, 2008 8:01PM EST
any ideas on who we are looking to sign for free agency?
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Posted by: EJP on July 23, 2008 8:11PM EST
IM FROM GREECE ..AND OLYMPIAKOS IS MY TEAM!! I THINK KOKKALIS MADE A VERY GOOD PICK .. AND WE R HAPPY TO HAVE HIM WITH US.!!!
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Posted by: G on July 23, 2008 8:29PM EST
I just think the Hawks can never do what it takes for anything good to happen. They won 37 regular season games last year, losing 45, and still made the playoffs. Lucky for them that is how the NBA has the playoffs set-up. The Hawks have always been my #1 team. I think J Chill was a vital part of the future for the Hawks. Now what? His high strung energy will surely be missed. Obviously, he wasn't as happy as everyone thought he was. Oh well, I will keep watching, rooting, and wishing for big, big things for the Hawks.
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Posted by: Andy on July 23, 2008 8:54PM EST
I would rather have Josh Smith then throwing a lot of money toward Josh Childress and losing Smith.
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Posted by: David on July 23, 2008 9:05PM EST
The Atlanta Spirit really screwed this one up. You can't draft guys then let them go 3 years later. There is no commitment from the Atlanta Spirit to win. You can't be cheap and win in the NBA!
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Posted by: Dee Jackson on July 23, 2008 9:05PM EST
Come on lets just cut the crap out now? This situation is not all about money its about the organization and a bad coach and the opportunity to win. There are numerous players that take less money to win championships or be in the hunt for one. The problem this organization has had a history of making bad decisions, so its not like this is the first. A player plays to win once he wins he is marketable and the money will come. There have been guys that have been drafted to organizations that they did not want to play for go overseas and come back to different teams and become successful. This team has to keep its neucleus in tact first and then worry about free agency. Because there is no free agent that wants to come to a situation that can hender his carrer. Get serious about winning first, show the league and the fans you are serious and the players will be knocking on your door to come.
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Posted by: Melanie on July 23, 2008 9:14PM EST
Micah, you are absolutely right. You really shed light on the situation. Yes, it is shocking. But Chills has to move on to bigger and better things, he can't stay here forever. Thankyou Chills for everything you've done for Atlanta and we wish you much success! On the other side of things, I hope things pan out for us too. I wonder who we could possibly get?
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Posted by: justin on July 23, 2008 9:15PM EST
i just read the espn article on this topic..and they couldn't have said it any better..the hawks just screwed themselves over..they didn't lock up both joshes(which was supposedly their first priority), they didn't have any draft picks, and they haven't made any moves in the offseason. there was a quote in the espn article that said that Atlanta is one of NBA players favorite cities to visit, and the fact that no one wants to play here speaks volumes about hawks management. great job hawks management! and rick sund, great first impression!
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Posted by: kreator7gr on July 23, 2008 9:16PM EST
only Olympiakos!!The Aggelopoulos family(Olympiakos's owners) r great fans of Olympiakos at first n then owners.A critical hit on nba,proving that money makes the world go round.Chill drive us all insane.Good luck to the Hawks next year too!greetings from Greece!
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Posted by: justin on July 23, 2008 9:22PM EST
signing louis williams might be able to cushion the blow of losing childress
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Posted by: J-Mill on July 23, 2008 9:24PM EST
Does anybody remember game 3 of the playoffs when the showed all those former players that didn't make the playoffs with their new teams (Anthony Johnson, Al Harington and Royal Ivey) I wish nothing but the best for Chillz in Europe next but, when they show on the screen during the playoffs (if we make it) he'll get booed and loud too! We'll miss the trademark "baseline bro with the 'fro" and hope you come back after next year...I don't think Childress felt the love (emotion and money wise) and I just want him to know that we did love him down here and Atlanta and the ASG was just stupid to tell him they won't pay attention until they get throgh with the Josh Smith situation because your just as important as Smoove.
-Peace
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Posted by: giannis on July 23, 2008 9:29PM EST
hi.i am from greece and i am olympiakos too.i want to ask hawks fans if childress is a good player and if he could be the best player in eyrope next year?i saw videos of him but i want your opinion for the player.thank you and good season to hawks
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Posted by: big johny on July 23, 2008 9:30PM EST
Alec, We're not going to see the Hawks in New Jersey any more or at the Garden, why should we committ our time to a bunch of bozoo's
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Posted by: J-Mill on July 23, 2008 9:32PM EST
We now have seven roster spots left on the team and here are my players I think we're going to sign:
Josh Smith Mario West Jeremy Richardson Louis Williams Luke Jackson Kwame Brown Randolph Morris or Othella Hunter
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Posted by: MisterT on July 23, 2008 9:55PM EST
It'll be interesting to see, instead of seeing Euroleaguers adjusting to the NBA game and its aspects (3-steps in stead of 2, for example), seeing J-Chill adjusting to the euro-game. He's got the range and athleticism to make it happen in Greece. Now its time for the A'town team to fill a void.. I wish management good luck with filling the sixth man spot on the Hawks roster.
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Posted by: giannis on July 23, 2008 10:05PM EST
the rules ιn european basketball are the same with nba.2 steps,24 second for offense.we have 3 steps here in europe before 15 years.only the 3point shoot is at 6.75 and the 2010 will go at 7.25
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Posted by: ray on July 23, 2008 10:23PM EST
Well nobody should be surprised, the hawks have the worst management in the NBA. All they had to do this offseason was resgin TWO players thats it and they already lost one. WHY is the management so bad, WHY. For most teams this would have been a very easy offseason because they would have already resigned what they needed. After the series against boston everyone was excited and of course the management messed it all up. They better hurry up and resign smith because if they would have hurried to try and resign childress we could have both. Well thank you management
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Posted by: Scott on July 23, 2008 10:30PM EST
Micah,
10 million, ...really? Come on, you can't think anyone was talking about that for J-Chill. It was going to be mid-level plus. Not much under what he will be making in Europe. While there is more to this than money, this appears to be another time that the Atlanta Spirit can't capitalize on positive momentum. Both the Hawks and Thrashers have suffered through cheap rookie head coaches a Status quo of poor GM's. Their signings have been limited to 2nd-tier retread players for the Hawks and 3rd & 4th line talent for the Thrashers. I was hoping that the Bibby trade was a sign of things to come but, that does not appear to be the case. You have to take care of your core guys (and draft well, Marvin "shoulda been Chris Paul" Williams), and I have no faith that the ASG will do that. The only things that will keep J-Smooth a Hawk is a lack of cap space in the NBA and I don't think he is as worldly as Childress, so not as likely to go to overseas.
Hoping for the Best (still). Go Hawks!
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Posted by: Antonio on July 23, 2008 10:30PM EST
Can someone tell me how Greek basketball teams have been able to spend so much money on players within the last few years? Seriously, their soccer clubs that are in the Champion's League are not even spending close to what the Basketball clubs are spending. Soccer is so much more popular there than basketball and the bonuses for making the Champion's League are really big!! This looks to me more like a money laundering scheme...
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Posted by: ATL Hawks Chick on July 23, 2008 10:42PM EST
Bye J-Chill
Us Hawks fan will miss you, have a good time in Greece and show them exactly what you can do.
LOVE YOU CHILLZ!!!!
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Posted by: jake on July 23, 2008 10:55PM EST
we should sign kwame brown and louis williams.
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Posted by: disappointed ATL fan on July 23, 2008 10:56PM EST
WOW....this waz my first year in atlanta and i had become a true hawks fan by the end of it.... and now the stupid management messed it all up... i mean WHO would you possibly re-sign Woodson when there are better coaches out there and especially seeing that him and Smith dont get along!!! I mean that was a terrible decesion... so i dont even think we are gonna get smith...i just hope the management can sign two good players to replace the two joshes and make smarter moves!! and as for Sund...not a great start!!
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Posted by: Elizabeth aka "Fan Mom" on July 23, 2008 10:56PM EST
Joshua Malik Childress,
Good Things Happen To Good People, and You are One of the Great Ones !
Love You & Who is Going To Do Read To Achieve Now ???
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Posted by: J.B. on July 23, 2008 11:11PM EST
I am so tired of watching the Hawks screw up BIG TIME... I am an Atlanta fan across the board... Born and raised here.... These guys sign Mike but let Josh get away!!!!!!! Says ALOT about whether or not these guys REALLY know what they are doing. And to think I was going to buy season tickets.... YEAH RIGHT!!!!
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Posted by: manuel on July 23, 2008 11:40PM EST
he will be back in tha nba lets say in about 4 years
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Posted by: b easy on July 24, 2008 12:09AM EST
wow the atlanta hawks!! tisk tisk wat a bunch of idiots in the front office!!
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Posted by: nateg#20 on July 24, 2008 12:40AM EST
we should of got a draft pick and what we should of done was traded j chill for one of those guys the trailblazers had before they got batum
THE HAWKS NEED TO BE MORE INTERNATIONAL LOOK AT THESE TEAMS FOR EXAMPLE
MAVERICKS SPURS SUNS
BIG TEAMS AND WHAT THEY HAVE GOOD INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS
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Posted by: john on July 24, 2008 12:46AM EST
Josh Chilldress had to sit and watch underachieving Marvin Williams. Josh was the 6th pick and never started after a great career at Stanford. Josh Smith started out of high school and is still uncoachable even though he is a great talent maybe the best overall player in the league. Everybody is Mike Woodson period he lost this team long ago and this Sund guy he dismantled the great Supersonics. Sund and Woodson are jokes.
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Posted by: hawkfan on July 24, 2008 12:57AM EST
hey, when rumors were speculating a few days ago that j-chill was in greece, i knew he was a goner from then because the lack of moves the hawks have done since free agency started three weeks ago with all this waiting bit us in long haul, even childress said he felt no urgency from the hawks organization so he wanted to see other options and felt going to greece will be him coming into his own, us hawks fans have seen this happen so many times when they say will we do everything to keep a player and then the opposite happens, just like what happened to jason terry (it took me awhile to get over that one) but at least childress will be in greece and not on another nba team, kind of bitter sweet cuz i still want to see him play and progress even if it was on another nba team, but now we have to move on and make some moves cuz what joe johnson said that come training camp time whoever is on our roster needs to be ready to play, go hawks! and another thing if fans do boycott on the hawks for a long period of time u can kiss this franchise goodbye and it will end up like the seattle sonics, which is like the saying "you never know what u got until its gone" ...keep ur head up hawks fans will come out on top from this somehow
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Posted by: disgruntle fan on July 24, 2008 1:06AM EST
winning teams achieve success in the nba with a quality bench , : meaning players capable of starting on sub-500 teams: we only had one player of that caliber on our bench , (josh childress), and management tried to play that leverage game and lost a fan favorite. way to go 30 yr. vet aka the new GM rick sund. remember that this is a new day. bottom line , both players should have been signed during the season , they would have felt appreciated and the dollar amount would`ve work for both sides
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Posted by: Melanie on July 24, 2008 1:26AM EST
WE LOVE YOU AND MISS YOU CHILL! WE WISH YOU MUCH SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS! I wish Philips Arena would throw a Farewell party for him and invite the fans to come also He truly was a fan favorite - I'm glad I got a picture and autograph from him
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Posted by: Dorian on July 24, 2008 1:30AM EST
I am agog at this ghastly news. Maybe he likes the ladies over there. To me, this shows that the NBA needs to clean up their image, Sterns vacuous apologies to fans about his league refs being corrupt, unfair and biased. The NBA is a Las Vegas gamblers best friend and AFRO POWER wants nothing to do with this mickey mouse league. Although, this shows he knows something is going to happen to the Hawks that will once again bring our team down. This is just sad.
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Posted by: anthony on July 24, 2008 2:06AM EST
I am a life long Atlanta native and Hawks fan. I enjoyed Mookie,Steve,and the likes of Dominic. For the life of me I can't understand why the Hawks management can never and I do mean never do the right thing! Josh Smith is priorty #1 !!!! If you can't get this right. You will l loose another fan! Good luck signing him. with that lame coach he doesn't like!!! Oh! ya'll just re-signed Mike Woodson. Oh well!
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Posted by: kreator7gr on July 24, 2008 2:27AM EST
someone commented earlier that the move of Chilldress in Olympiakos is a money laundring scheme.you should know that the Aggelopoulos family(owners of Olympiakos),is one of the richest families,not only in Greece,but worldwide.And the best part is that they are crazy fans of the team.Chilldress's money are secure.check out some articles n photos:http://www.sport.gr/default.asp?pid=4&aid=17232 http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Article/24474/
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Posted by: Anonymous on July 24, 2008 2:44AM EST
Hello from Greece! Chil was just the starter,more great players will follow in Europe because NBA is not so bright any more. THIRILOS 4 EVER WELCOME JOSH!!!
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Posted by: takis on July 24, 2008 2:53AM EST
first welcome to greece josh and second aggelpoulos is the president not kokkalis ejp :)
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Posted by: lalas on July 24, 2008 3:28AM EST
Hi all. I feel really sorry for NBA players coming in Greece and play in courts that host 1000 people and are far worse than the courts NBAers train in. Is it all about the money? ok he will play in Euroleague but he will also play in the Greek league and except 3 teams that have high standards and nice stadiums (again compared to other local ) he will have to play is ridiculous courts. I really don't understand why a player at that age with his carreer ahead leaves the NBA for Greece
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Posted by: Peter D. on July 24, 2008 3:55AM EST
The Spirit group prior to Sund are notorious for dragging their feet summer negotitans. New GM or not everything seems to be status quo. The perception would be different if they locked up their guys immediately. I think they would have been able to woo some decent free agent backups.
They spoke about Childress and Smith like they could not lose them in any way. Ouch!!!!!!
They should try to throw some cash at Iguodala or Deng or Gordon to make up for the loss.
Congratulations Chilly!!!!!!!
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Posted by: BigBoi on July 24, 2008 4:19AM EST
Nice work Micah. For me, the worst thing is to have taken (for the organisation) just a "waiting position" instead of talking and making things happen. Yeah, we know J-Chill doesnt' "deserve" or "should get" more than what we proposed to him if we want to keep some monney in the belt for the next years. But you have to talk about all this! And I did'nt hear anything about this. They wanted to wait because with Clippers and Warriors out of race "they'll have no other choice". All right, that's a position. But in the NBA these days, that's not a great way to do, at all. And now they're kicked because they decided not to move, just wait.
So, on one hand we can't blame the organisation because it would have been stupid to give 10 and 12 millions for both Josh, but on the other hand, that's even more stupid to have decided to wait and that they made a "fair proposition", and not to have negociate! That's an other bad news for the Hawks, and I don't even know how we're going to get some good free-agents with such a bad reputation.
The worst thing I guess? They'll give maximum contract to Smoove, and that'll throw our monney away.
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Posted by: jivo on July 24, 2008 4:30AM EST
hello! i am from greece.yesterday a fun of olympiakos team said to me that childress is better player of dominique wilkins!!!!
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Posted by: tom07 on July 24, 2008 6:10AM EST
im from greece....im olympiakos.....just wait two or three years...... angelopouli brothers(the owners of olympiakos b.c.) will take and others NBA PLAYERS..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Steve G. on July 24, 2008 7:19AM EST
For the dude that wrote the following..."Can someone tell me how Greek basketball teams have been able to spend so much money on players within the last few years? Seriously, their soccer clubs that are in the Champion's League are not even spending close to what the Basketball clubs are spending. Soccer is so much more popular there than basketball and the bonuses for making the Champion's League are really big!! This looks to me more like a money laundering scheme..." you have no clue how things work in Europe my friend. You're just to bitter that a European Team was able to sign a talent like Chill's. BBall is an equal important Sport in Europe, but you'de only know that if you followed European Sports. On another note, we're happy to have Chill's play for Olympiakos a Team with great tradition and History.
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Posted by: thodoris on July 24, 2008 7:29AM EST
1st thing josh is a good player but he isn't dominique wilkins 2nd olumpiakos hasn't won the championship since 11 years before what makes you believe you can win it now??? with only one player 3rd olumpiakos may have the coach of greek national team and 6 players but the (only 4) players of panathinaikos are in the starting line-up 4th don't ask about childress see him on court
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Posted by: Brooklyn, NY on July 24, 2008 7:51AM EST
Greece is the best Europen country to play for. I was there for the 2004 Olympics, great people, great food, and beautiful beaches and homes. I've been to France and Russia where everything sucks. It is the weak dollar that makes it easier for the Greeks to spend big bucks. If someone offered me a contract in Greece, I would be there tomorrow!
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Posted by: jay on July 24, 2008 7:59AM EST
SIGN JOSH SMITH!!!!!then if there is enough $$$ offer a contract to iguadola,if not sign devan george!!!! START TODAY NO MORE DELAY SIGN JOSH SMITH BEFORE HE GOES AWAY!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Anonymous on July 24, 2008 8:02AM EST
I am a fun of olympiakos and its very nice ti sign a player from the best basketball championship in the world such as NBA. I think josh will help us and something else... good luck hawks.
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Posted by: ROBERT on July 24, 2008 8:09AM EST
YOU LOSE JOSH CHILDRESS.YOU ARE TRYING TO LOSE JOSH SMITH.YOU KEEP A PATHETIC COACH WHO CANT INSPIRE PLAYERS.YOU ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS WHO ACT LIKE YOU DON'T CARE IF WE EVER HAVE A WINNING TEAM AGAIN.
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Posted by: hawksgirl on July 24, 2008 9:09AM EST
I surely wish you didnt have to go and sign with greece chill but i wish all of the luck to you. you will be missed in atlanta and lets hope you cme back to play for us in about four years.
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Posted by: J-Mill on July 24, 2008 9:19AM EST
To all Greek fans,
Childress is not going to be the next "chosen one" you think he will be, he's just a solid player with a lot energy and can make some crucial crazy layups and and1 plays...he's was the fourth or fifth best player on the Hawks last year.
ARE YOU CRAZY?! CHILDRESS AIN'T NO DOMINIQUE WILKINS!!!!
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Posted by: butch on July 24, 2008 9:21AM EST
the hawks need to sign josh smith before the week is out.stop playing around and sign someone else thats out there that can help the team.
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Posted by: TheOne on July 24, 2008 9:34AM EST
Well after this last transfer i really think that if we actually play against you (Olympiakos vs Hawks) more likely you'll lose by far :P
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Posted by: Star of the Zanarkand Abes! on July 24, 2008 9:44AM EST
Good luck, J-Chill! Apparently your new owners and GM actually LOVE the game and know how to WIN. I would have done the same thing, especially after these ASG fools re-sign Woodson, playoffs or no playoffs! But Let's Go Hawks! ...unless you let J-Smoov slip away too...
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Posted by: kevin jordan on July 24, 2008 9:57AM EST
first give josh smith that max contract before we loose him too. then sign jermaine o neal.. now we can pay him the money that he wants or deserves. then u can have marvin williams take josh childrish place as 6 man.. 1. mike bibby 2. jo johnson 3. josh smith 4. al horford 5.jermain oneal I hope somebody pay attention to this and think about it.. it makes perfect since if u want a championship. for real.. stop letting players slip through the team hands.. everybody else getting better and we staying the same or getting worst.. u got to act now
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Posted by: Jay on July 24, 2008 10:19AM EST
I dont understand why yall get so fired up about Mike Woodson. Yes he make some mistakes like like all other coaches, BUT the bottom line is the record has improved EACH year he has been HERE!!! so to me resigning Mike Woodson was not bad.... GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
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Posted by: pavlos on July 24, 2008 10:22AM EST
thodori: it's not only one player, and I believe you know it quite well...;)...otherwise, you'll just have to feel it... TommyBoy, are you the TommyBoy I know? :D (hint:Rory)
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Posted by: David on July 24, 2008 10:25AM EST
You are nothing but a sold-out apologist for a bunch of crooks who think they have the right to screw the hopes of this city into the ground. Good franchises dont let this kind of thing happen. Worth it or not, luxury tax or no, this is the worst possible situation and your blog is the biggest piece of trash I've ever read.
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Posted by: TommyBoy on July 24, 2008 10:45AM EST
J-Mill : Noone said Chill's the size of Dominique , i only mentioned the best player you ever had and probably the best you ever will :P
Pavlos: I don't think i know you dude
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Posted by: Bigd on July 24, 2008 10:50AM EST
Teams win with core players. Childress is a great core player. What do we get in return for his loss? He played several positions, played defense, slashed and played off the boards. What do we get in return? We already have a weak bench with no one knocking down the door to get here. What do we get in return?
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Posted by: Tony Z on July 24, 2008 10:55AM EST
First of all go HAWKS!!!, But seriously we suck as a orginization and we need to spend money to make money. I feel like we cant win for losing when it comes to players and keeping them. We go out and trade for BIBY five players (which was to much for a older player) which i felt like might work, but thinking about it down the road (which it hurt us in the playoffs)we sent all our whole bench.We have to get read of Woody he is such a harible coach who cant even get us in to the five hundred club.This new GM is no better and who ever runs our personel department is the reason we have been sucking. Please some body give them a clue to what winning is all about, and can we please sign josh smith before we screw that up to.
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Posted by: imtmac on July 24, 2008 11:10AM EST
The best thing about J Chill was that he is a great person off the court as well. Its hard to find many like him in the league. Great guy, and pretty good player at the NBA level. He will definitely be missed. I would have rather traded Josh Smith for something big, then let chill go. At least he played hard all the time. Josh Smith plays about a third of the time and thats only at home. We dont need a highlight film, we need wins and somebody that gets after it everynite! He is so overated....
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Posted by: Anonymous on July 24, 2008 11:49AM EST
well what a surprize NOTT!!! the hawks better resign josh smith and some other good free agents. they had two things to do this summer SIGN CHILL AND SIGN SMITH-they already blew the first thing.
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Posted by: Kent Aberle on July 24, 2008 12:02PM EST
I think Josh did what's best for Josh and I have no problem with that. I'm sad to say it but Josh is just one of many NBA players that will end up going to foreign leagues. We have our country's front office, not the Hawks', to blame for that. With the dollar as poor as it is, I guarantee you agents will be exporting more NBA players to Europe to play. Hell, Budweiser sold out to a Foreign company....The American Laguer. Also, the competition of the Euro-game has caught up with the NBA, as shown in the world and olympic games. The NBA is much more star/individual based where the Euro-game is more team structured. I think J-Chil will strive in that format. Greece is a beautiful place and I wish him all the best there. Now, we need our front office to really focus on where we're at. Sign J-Smooth, and use that cap room to pick up a GOOD veteren big man to partner up with Horford to provide a strong backline. We opened eyes in the playoffs last year. Now is the time to make sure those eyes stay open and not fall back asleep like past years! Go Hawks!
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Posted by: Melanie on July 24, 2008 12:13PM EST
Childress truly was a class act. I hope and pray that he'll come back after a year
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Posted by: JohnW on July 24, 2008 12:55PM EST
Why are so many people upset that Chillz left for Greece? I don't get it. He wasn't worth the money he wanted, plain and simple. Yes, he was great off the bench. And I'm no fan of Woodson, by any stretch of imaginatin, but there is a reason that Goofy(Marvin) starts over him. I would NOT retain his rights at all...use that money to build the roster. Oh, and as much as I love Josh Smith, he is not even close to being the best player in the NBA (someone actually posted that on here). If he's not retained, it would be bad...UNLESS...he's used as a sign and trade and better pieces are brought back. He's not happy here...so accomodate him to bring back 2 starters. Also, why are people asking to sign Louis Williams? WHERE WOULD HE PLAY???? You can't say PG...ATL has 3 already and you can't get rid of any of them (unless you find someone dumb enough to trade...and NOONE is taking Speedy).
Anyway, enough ranting. I hope ATL has this roster completed within the next month..because the longer all this drags out, the worse they look to the rest of the NBA. ATL has a hard enough time getting F.A's to come here to play...will be even harder if they keep dragging this out. Of course, all of us Hawks fans would expect NOTHING LESS from the ASG...the absolute worse ownership in ALL OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS!!!!!!! I would honestly take half the money offered from this group to work at McDonald's before accepting any type of job with these bunch of idiots!!! Thank heavens I'm military and don't have to worry about it.
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Posted by: on the brighter side on July 24, 2008 12:59PM EST
yeah we lost Childress. ok it's time to move on because that was yesterday's news.
on the brighter side of things let's give the money to Josh Smith. he is scores more points and plays defense. and brings more excitement to the game.
let jeremy richardson or othello hunter take Childress' place. and bring back mario.
since childress is gone let's not dwell on this. there are things still to be done.
Get Josh Smith back with the team. or else watch your season and fan base die.
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Posted by: Jamal Mc. on July 24, 2008 12:59PM EST
We Definitely Need 2 Look At Signing Louis Williams, The Boy Can Ball!! And Kwame Brown Can Really Help Al Horford In The Paint...
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Posted by: Alexander on July 24, 2008 1:01PM EST
Olympiakos is one of the biggest teams in Europe guys and they gave him an offer that he couldn't ressist!In nowdays basketball in Europe is in very high levels and most of the teams (including Olympiakos) do not doubt to give lots of money for good players...so more and more NBAers are moving to Europe!Aggelopoulos brothers (owners of Olympiakos b.c) gave crazy money this year for building the new O.S.F.P b.c team,including the money to J. Chill. who became the most well-payed player in the history of Greek besketball...so why not for him to come?It's a big opportunity for him to become the "flag" of one of the biggest clubs in European basketball and play more than he was going to play in NBA.I'm Greek and Olympiakos fan so I know exactly what happens in Greek basketball.
Greetings to everyone, Alexander Giannakakis
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Posted by: Michael Stamatogianopoulos on July 24, 2008 1:04PM EST
I am a fan of the Greek club Olympiakos. I really feel very lucky because Josh is member of my team. Olympiakos goes for European Champion.
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Posted by: frustrated with the desktop wallpaper on July 24, 2008 1:05PM EST
please update the wall paper. take the josh childress ones off, and make some new ones with acie law, solomon jones, and the other players on the team who doesn't have one.
also a team one would be nice. a team picture in the new jerseys would be great.
make a wall paper for all the players there are acie, solomon, mario, jeremy, and salim fans too.
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Posted by: 1von on July 24, 2008 1:08PM EST
I feel the organization is being selfish with the money. I also feel that they diden't try as hard as they was telling everyone, but i hope when it comes to josh smith it would be a different story. we can sign back josh smith, and offer j.r. smith an contract, and maybe sign somebody like kwame brown, because i believe he hasn't reached his full nba potential.
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Posted by: who cares about greece on July 24, 2008 1:10PM EST
stop posting things about the greek club that Josh Childress signed with who cares about that. this is a Hawks basketball blog. and right now the only thing I as a fan cares about is getting my Atlanta Hawks team together. J Chill is yesterday's news. he is no longer a Hawk so forget him. he was never one of my favorites anyway.
Lets focus on the team and who will be on it. Greek people stop posting on this blog. you need to quit. you are taking up valuable space reserved for Hawks fan.
THIS IS A BLOG FOR HAWKS FANS! KILL THE GREEK TEAM COMMENTS. WHO CARES. GET OFF OUR BLOG.
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Posted by: Jdizzle on July 24, 2008 1:20PM EST
Here is the real scoop. Josh did this thing for Josh because cash was his only intrest it looks like. This only proves that alot of NBA players don't care about the game less than money. But, we blame this on 2 front offices, DC and the Hawks. DC is to blame because whatever Bush and his 'sidekicks' are doing are screwing up the US Dollar. If the US Dollar hadn't dropped we all would see J-Chill in a Hawks uniform this season. The Hawks organization is also to blame because instead of offering J-Chill an offer the Hawks sat there until somebody did. And well, you know the rest. What has to happen is a signing of Josh Smith before week's end or for all we know he could be sitting with $30mil/year with Olympiakos. The cons for Chill are that he may not develop as fast because of weaker compitition. This is bad for the NBA also. They should thank god that it is only J-Chill and some other players because soon it could Lebron in 2010 or Wade in 2010. This all goes back to the US dollar getting weaker.
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Posted by: CSM on July 24, 2008 1:23PM EST
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